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Failure to translate proves failure to understand
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Learning to translate is a necessary consequence of learning a second language. If you can't translate from a second language, then you don't understand that language. As the man can't translate from Chinese to English he doesn't understand Chinese.
J. Christopher Maloney, 1987.
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Artificial Intelligence☜A collaboratively editable version of Robert Horns brilliant and pioneering debate map Can Computers Think?—exploring 50 years of philosophical argument about the possibility of computer thought.☜F1CEB7
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The Systems Reply☜We can consider the person in the room as part of a total system that includes the rule book, scratch paper, and data banks of Chinese symbols. The whole system, not only the person should be regarded as understanding Chinese.☜EF597B
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The Internalisation Reply☜Suppose the man in the Room memorizes the rule book and all the symbols and does the matching in his head not on paper. He incorporates the entire Room system, but still doesnt understand Chinese. So the whole system doesnt understand Chinese.☜EF597B
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Man understands Chinese but can't translate to English☜Once the man has internalized the system, he then speaks Chinese, but his English- and Chinese- speaking subsystems cant communicate. He understands both English and Chinese but cant translate between them.☜EF597B
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Failure to translate proves failure to understand
Failure to translate proves failure to understand☜Learning to translate is a necessary consequence of learning a second language. If you cant translate from a second language, then you dont understand that language. As the man cant translate from Chinese to English he doesnt understand Chinese.☜EF597B
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A virtual person may understand Chinese
A virtual person may understand Chinese☜Maloney is right that the internalizing man doesnt understand Chinese, but there might be a virutal person in his brain who does understand Chinese.☜EF597B
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