The syntax
Discussion on the Purplsoc paper
Kurt Laitner
7:10 PM Nov 5

possibly include combinatorics (if you are pursuing a generative grammar as opposed to a merely descriptive one), history in the pursuit of perfect languages informs the relevance of pierre levy's work, based on combinations and permutations of a basic grammar

On "vast and complicated set of arrangements and actions wherein self-directed agents adapt to each other’s arrangements and actions, "

Kurt Laitner
12:51 AM Nov 5

 

an excellent description, now let's describe a model of the rule sets they are working with
Helene Finidori
10:37 AM Nov 5

Brian Arthur has lots of examples that can be 'plast' or 'plasted' :)
Kurt Laitner
8:48 PM Nov 5

urls?
Helene Finidori
7:59 AM Yesterday

 

On accumulating behaviors:

 

Kurt Laitner
12:54 AM Nov 5

need a model of metrics to accumulate against, which is what I am attempting with value equations and value dimensions as well as accumulation functions to modulate accumulation - currently this accumulation of knowledge of behaviors is limited not by culture (which now has a near perfect recollection) but by human capacity to retain such information - a value equation is a tool to 'remember behavior' across contexts and to find proxies to remember for you.
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Helene Finidori
10:42 AM Nov 5

I prefer function to equation, because function shows the dynamics. How to prevent reductionism that models and metrics may suggest? I'm wondering how Monica Anderson's work on Model Free Methods for artificial intuition could apply here.
Helene Finidori
6:12 PM Nov 5

Here are videos of Monica's work: http://videos.syntience.com/index.html
Kurt Laitner
8:55 PM Nov 5

I have run across Monica many moons ago, will check it out - to your point on 'function' vs 'equation' you are absolutely right that what I am really talking about is a function (value function, value equation) where I map a number of dimensions on to a scalar representing an abstract 'stock' - I have found using the word 'equation' is more evocative in most folks minds, and the mathematicians and mathematically inclined immediately correct the language - I will use them interchangeably with you - Also regarding reductionism, or I think more pertinent the achievement of a stable state in the operation of the model, there are three possibilities when applying a generative set of rules that may be configured in use, one is total chaos (divergence, likely with attractors coming and going) another is oscillation between strong attractors, another is convergence (this is the ossification I think you fear) - I am more worried about total chaos with limited useful patterns generated than with convergence on a single pattern, though my wife gave me a jolt by asking whether my platform for an ecology of business forms might coalesce to the existing system, then what.. LOL
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Helene Finidori
8:47 AM Yesterday

Your wife is right... I would say the 'coalescence' to the existing form is the momentum of exiting forces keeping the system in its status quo 'direction'. That's what we want to 'break' with new code...
Kurt Laitner
6:49 PM Yesterday

what is sought sounds alot like 'robustness' in complexity/chaos theory. the story of robot cockroaches is illustrative - consider a system of a dark room with a spot light and a boot stomping in the spot light, half the cockroaches run from dark to light, half run from light to dark, if you run this system for long enough it will become optimized (no cockroaches that run from dark to light), however if you start the boot stomping now instead in the dark, an extinction happens (not robust) - in order to introduce robustness let's say the cockroaches randomly change their mind - the solution is now sub-optimal but more robust as even if you change the conditions, there are always some (formerly stupid) cockroaches that will run to the light - long winded way to say we need to build robustness into the system, and that the idea of 'mutations' needs to be considered - currently I am solving this with sufficiently large numbers of permutations, but that may not be sufficient as the system may optimize to one or a small number of such permutations
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Kurt Laitner
12:57 AM Nov 5

 

 

need to identify the simple rules that generate the complex behavior, implicit and explicit decision making by agents and the cumulative effects on behavior

 

 

On "assess the powers that maintain forces in operation, and the margins of manoeuver to gather new powers for transformation, as power also follows its own laws."

 

Kurt Laitner
1:15 AM Nov 5

I think this corresponds to governance equations but perhaps you are even more macro
Helene Finidori
10:51 AM Nov 5

Yes, more macro. I refer here to the powers that derive from the operations of the system, from the position in the system, from the 'mechanic' accumulation and distorsions they may create. Power laws and network effects are not the result of governance, for example.
Kurt Laitner
9:06 PM Nov 5

I think we are talking governance perhaps a bit differently - if we look at the macro 'money is power' of todays system the accumulation of money is very relevant to power without reference to any macro forces - My take on this is that money is valueless or abstract, and so should not be a basis for generalized power, but that we need to name what things we feel are potentially valid contributors to power (dimensions of governance) and directly measure these, while agreeing in a given context which of these factors should be weighted more heavily to get the results we seek - In the operation of such a transparent power function, one could differentiate power by its source and context, and make it less portable, which in my mind will create a more efficient application of resources, or at least a better understood one - So my short point is that power is an accumulation of governance rights, and has the characterstic of portability - 'power laws' or scale free network effects, in my mind are to be moderated actively by a system that aims for stability and sustainability - this can be approached through the use of decay functions on factors of governance rights and more generally by radical inclusiveness
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Kurt Laitner
1:14 AM Nov 5

representing and intervening
Kurt Laitner
8:58 PM Nov 5

a result of understanding a system may be the ability to manipulate it, then we get to the question of should anybody be able to manipulate it or should it be better designed in a way that it has no points of leverage..

 

 On Metcalfs law:

 

Kurt Laitner
1:15 AM Nov 5

 

 

consider that the nodes will likely not be fully connected as scale grows this 'weak ties between clusters' has a name too and deserves to be included.. I forget..

 

 

Helene Finidori
6:20 PM Nov 5

 

That's an interesting visual language and networked language structure: http://avazapp.com/freespeech/

The Indonesian language comes to mind also with root words complemented by prefixes and suffixes to indicate direction of action in relation to subject/object etc..
Kurt Laitner
10:56 PM Nov 5

The hierarchy of Roles category with members of Subject, Object, Compliment escaped me at first glance, perhaps a better illustration of this categorization as an attribute of the card rather than a separate card would work better

Also, why subject object compliment, specifically?
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Helene Finidori
9:03 AM Yesterday

It's a start -my first glyphs!... also a reference to Jenny Quillien's interpretation of JG Bennett's Triad: actor/receiver/mediator.
 
Kurt Laitner
10:57 PM Nov 5

I would tend to rename to "Influence", "Identity" and "Agency"

 

Kurt Laitner
11:02 PM Nov 5

The directions section I think needs to be factored a bit. it is expressing Cardinality (one to one, one to many) , Directionality and (the very interesting and novel) Push/Pull dynamic all under 'Directions' whereas I would head the general concept as Relations and the Cardinality and Directionality would be beneath this (Push Pull I am not so sure about as it is more an attribute of the node rather than the edge, well really a composite effect of both node and edge together, it is really worth finding a name for this all by itself as it is an important new idea - a potential gradient of sorts)
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Kurt Laitner
11:03 PM Nov 5

generative processes ++ analytic, synthetic?
Kurt Laitner
11:05 PM Nov 5

for Pace would like to see a stepped (discontinuous) and reverse exponential (limited) accumulator, there are others but I need to draw some things to explain - sensorica talks about 'regularity' which is the continuous or discontinuous contribution over time (ie is the accumulation smooth or not, regular periodicity or not, regular scale or not)
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Helene Finidori
9:07 AM Yesterday

Yes all this needs to be explored, expanded, fine tuned, etc.. I've scribbled some more...

I've been using penultimate (only on iPad unfortunately) that has been integrated to evernotes. So if you have both, we could share drawings. Maybe talk about it too?
Kurt Laitner
6:55 PM Yesterday

I have all the pieces needed, will try to set this up soon
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