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[10:58:36 AM] Jack Park: will be here in a few minutes
[11:00:31 AM] Jack Park: ttp://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WittgensteinsLadder
[11:00:51 AM] *** Call to Dr Alexandra Hart ***
[11:13:28 AM] Jack Park: http://debategraph.org/Stream.aspx?nid=255277&vt=bubble&dc=focus
[11:16:01 AM] Jack Park: http://www.artifex.org/~bonnie/pdf/Nardi-HICSS.pdf Learning Conversations in World of Warcraft
[11:18:26 AM] Jack Park: A little curation of our graph is in order.
[11:40:19 AM] Dr Alexandra Hart: andrewmcgr@gmail.com
[11:42:44 AM] Jack Park: Andrew McGregor is in bay area now; is google NZ
[11:43:00 AM] Jack Park: AH: talk to Andrew re google connections
[11:45:37 AM] Jack Park: AH: one of thesis conclusions is have tools reqd to mathematize phenomenology: category theory will be big part of that -- finding equivalence in debategraph terms; graph must take a form that scales
[11:46:46 AM] Jack Park: AH: can imagine breaking language down to nodes, refining kinds of relationships that occur between nodes; strongly suspect looking at basic element analysis (Buddhist structure of phenomolgy) fine level of granularity, everything will be just working thru complexity.
[11:48:04 AM] Jack Park: AH: see possibility that things considered social (language) things considered biological, will be continual movement between both realms; it's all relational (rosen, varella, etc).
[11:48:54 AM] Jack Park: AH: have genotypes and phenotypes end up expressed in constellations of matter; different realm from consciousness (don't believe that; is a dichotomy inhereted from enlightment philosophy that doesn't hold0
[11:49:13 AM] Jack Park: AH in process of mathem. phenom, will find way to mathematize life.
[11:49:19 AM] Jack Park: That's what Rosen was trying to do.
[11:50:02 AM] Jack Park: AH: everything is information; common thread thru psyche and soma is information -- wave form energy.
[11:51:11 AM] Jack Park: AH: when talkiing about KF, think initially about federating language, that which has been symbolized. That's only one realm of knowledge; tip of iceberg, underwhich are other realms, expressed through physical (soma) -- underpin tip of iceberg symbolized from conscious knowledge.
[11:51:30 AM] Jack Park: AH: if approach process of federation of whole of iceberg, will be more integral.
[11:54:18 AM] Dr Alexandra Hart: Mark Spicousky - to be brought into this graph converstaion when possible.
[11:54:30 AM] Jack Park: Mark Szpakowski
[11:54:34 AM] Jack Park: John Kinneman
[11:54:41 AM] Dr Alexandra Hart: John Kineman - Phd thesis in line with our current direction. Also worth inviting at some point
[11:55:32 AM] Jack Park: http://cires.colorado.edu/science/groups/wessman/people/kineman/
[11:57:06 AM] Jack Park: http://www.nexit.org/ nexial institute
[11:57:53 AM] Jack Park: http://www.nexial.org/Life/complexity_v5.pdf
[11:57:59 AM] Jack Park: ignore nexit.org
[11:58:26 AM] Jack Park: http://www.nexial.org/ nexial institute
[11:59:48 AM] Jack Park: http://www.nexial.org/BMI/ISSS2002/Baldwin.pdf
[12:04:23 PM] Jack Park: http://gradworks.umi.com/3284407.pdf Relational Complexity in Natural Science and the Design of
Ecological Informatics
[12:05:38 PM] Jack Park: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ulanowicz
[12:06:32 PM] Jack Park: A Third Window: Natural Life beyond Newton and Darwin
[12:06:38 PM] Jack Park: http://www.cbl.umces.edu/~ulan/books.html
[12:07:35 PM] Jack Park: Hence, Ulanowicz offers his titular "third window"—a new way of understanding evolution and other natural processes beyond the common mechanistic or materialistic philosophies of nature. Drawing on the writings of Walter Elsasser, Karl Popper, Gregory Bateson, Robert Rosen, and Alfred North Whitehead, as well as his own experience as a theoretical ecologist, Ulanowicz offers a new set of axioms for how nature behaves. Chance and disarray in natural processes are shown to be necessary conditions for real change. Randomness is shown to contribute richness and autonomy to the natural world.
[12:13:31 PM] Jack Park: AH: can do genetic engineering through social interaction; a lot of what we think is determined is not; a lot of what we think about what is determined by genes is not; new informatics of consciousness.
[12:13:52 PM] Jack Park: AH: genetic engineering will be powerful but not whole story; limitations to engineering humans.
[12:14:21 PM] Jack Park: AH: physical is so plastic, need to understand plasticity and influences on plasticity which is consciousness.
[12:14:43 PM] Jack Park: The Creator (peter o'toole)
[12:16:04 PM] Jack Park: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_(~)
[12:16:48 PM] Jack Park: AH: inability to express emotions among cancer pts is linked to mortality
[12:17:55 PM] Jack Park: AH: can look at pt's emotional hx to predict cancer
[12:19:45 PM] Jack Park: mechanism about that is fight-or-flight response, hormonal immune suppression
[12:20:59 PM] Jack Park: psychoneuroimmunology
[12:23:45 PM] Jack Park: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoneuroimmunology
[12:24:45 PM] Jack Park: lens made from psychoneuroimmunology + eastern thought
[12:26:28 PM] Jack Park: A new take on psychoneuroimmunology http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec01/anewtake.aspx
[12:26:47 PM] Jack Park: Research pointing to a circuit linking the immune system and brain connects illness, stress, mood and thought in a whole new way.
[12:27:17 PM] Jack Park: psychoneuroimmunoloy is both a What and a How
[12:27:41 PM] Jack Park: http://www.semel.ucla.edu/cousins
[12:29:03 PM] Jack Park: SolrSherlock is about creating a harvesting/collaboration platform that is at once informed by psychoneuroimmunoloy, and can participate in contributions to it.
[12:32:37 PM] Dr Alexandra Hart: Distinction between SolrSherlock and Watson: Watson is based purely in a Western world view, Solr Sherlock is also enlisting insights from the East
[12:33:38 PM] Jack Park: AH: underlying principal emerging here: re-appraisal of mind-body dichotomy
[12:35:06 PM] Jack Park: http://academia.edu/